This is ward council! To say a meeting is never worth 61 minutes is putting artificial constraints on the spirit and leaders that are not appropriate. On the night of May 22, 2011, amid the sound of blaring sirens, a massive tornado touched down in the heart of Joplin, Missouri, USA, destroying homes and lives. Thank you for commenting. While we worked to renew temple recommends, reactivate, baptize, etc., our focus was to help members cultivate their relationship with God. Calendaring items are mentioned, but otherwise hardly discussed. Like Elder Bednar said there are Administrators and Ministers in the church. You can also subscribe without commenting. Efficient meetings still require that people prepare. I am new in this site, and I am grateful to all who have posted comments, whether I agree with them or not. Why should I be inconvenienced so that I can conform to a luddite version of proper meeting etiquette? Doctrine and Covenants 6:36 Look unto me in every thought; doubt not, fear not. All Ding! As they do, they will harness the extraordinary power of these councils to help the Lord bless His children and accomplish His work. If a meeting lacked the Spirit, we all knew it, and it helped the one conducting learn where he could improve where applicable. Keep pushing for shorter meetings. Inspiration follows. ), The ward clerk keeps a record of assignments and decisions made during ward council meetings. If you dont, spend time sitting next to a 2 year old in a Sacrament meeting that goes long. No Brainstorming: Brainstorming can be powerful, but it doesnt need to happen within a meeting. (please comment below) Meetings longer than 60 minutes damage your effectiveness as a leader. Without putting the lessons plans in this boxjust a couple of ideas. We have lots of technology that never seems to get used in the church. The bishop presides over the ward council, but he can make better decisions after discussions with his counselors and with the ward council, when appropriate. Learned that as an Officer in the US Army! If not you will hear in the halls of the Church buildings. And it may take several Saturdays to accomplish this year long plan. 22 reviews. You are right on! Once the bishop has sought inspiration on the base of a vision for his ward, and it is discussed, refined, augmented, and finally solidified by the Spirit in discussion with the bishopric council, it is ready to be taken to the ward council for their input and suggested improvements. You may be well organized and not tempted with your tech but that may not be the case for the entire room. It is part of holding folks accountable. To help stress the principle taught in 2:4.6.11 (see quoted paragraph above), the agenda structure removed all references to separate organizations and instead listed the missions of the Church: Beginning each meeting with a spiritual thought typically out of the scriptures or a general conference talk followed by a very brief discussion (2-3 comments tops) invites the Spirit, sets the tone, and starts the council thinking with a spiritual mindset. If you want to keep meetings on target and focused come prepared spiritually to discuss spiritual matters. I like tech and believe it helps me be more efficient. Others might view it as a distraction. In our case, too many items were being discussed that did not apply to the entire council or were seeking input where an email or text would have done the trick. On the other hand, the Spirit should be allowed to break that rule. Other books, talks, articles, experiences, etc. Handbook 2 (4.6.3) states, the ward council seeks inspiration in developing a course of action to bless the lives of members. I went home, reworked the agenda, sent it to the Stake President with comments that we could all read the calendar and come with questions, if we had them. I emailed my counselors early in the week with business items that needed to be addressed and taken care of outside of our meeting (gathering HT reports, callings that had already been discussed but were to be extended, who was teaching when, other assignements etc), referenced Elder Bednar and revelatory experiences and asked them to prepare accordingly for the agenda items I included. Split the meeting up. Some are even mandating ward council to be held weekly. His passions include dating his wife, playing with those five aforementioned children, NBA basketball, and writing long emails to his bishop. Together they have five children and have heard every Brady Bunch joke in the book. We used to have the prayer meetings before our meetings as a teacher and although they written 5 minutes long, still it was enough time for announcements and a prayer. They also help provide an atmosphere more conducive to enhanced communication. He helped council members shift their focus to the general ward welfare, rather than tuning out when another council member addressed organization-specific items. Good direction here, but I think it does need to be said. Thanks for these great ideas. Easy-peazy. They lack people skills, leadership skills, and tend to turn others off. How would he treat the situation? Two fathers have started coming so their kids can get baptized. I apologize. You just might have to schedule a meeting specifically to address admin. My point. How to hold effective and productive meetings in church! We are all volunteers and have no paid clergy or professionally trained lay leadership. Members of the Church (sometimes called "Mormons") sustain all 15 of these men as "prophets, seers, and revelators" and look to their teachings for guidance and support. They had caught the vision! But I do think he spent most of his time healing others, blessing others, cheering up others, encouraging, motivating, forgiving, looking for the good in others, living the gospel, and spreading the gospel. That is not true everywhere..yet. She does all she can to help the women increase their faith and personal righteousness, strengthen families and homes, and help those in need. Pray to understand their needs and what you can do then step out of the way and let the Lord do his work. The bishop isnt there to receive revelation; he is there to confirm revelation. I think there is some drastic attitude adjustment needed, but since weve worked so hard to have everything come from the top, itll need to come from there before it changes. So all of that speaks to the spiritual nature of this work and seeking for the inspiration to do what the Lord wants us to do. If you dont give the meeting a time limit, it will grow out of control. Some of the ideas are new to me and some I have been trying to bring into meetings for years without much success. Just as in Joplin, Puerto Francisco de Orellana, and Liverpool, Church leaders worldwide continue to discover the blessings of ward and branch councils. The short story for me is to ignore the hyperbole of the article, and embrace the tips that make me a better meeting leader. M.Russell Ballard, Counseling with Our Councils: Learning to Minister Together in the Church and in the Family (1997), 102. They want the ward council to work together more often and elevate the ward in general; however, Im not sure if scheduling moremeetings is the answer. I strongly recommend studying the revised edition of President M. Russell Ballards excellent book Counseling With Our Councils.Deseret Book or Amazon. I emailed my counselors this morning and among other things from this post, told them our EQ Pres meetings would not last any longer than 45 minutes from now on. Fighting against tradition and helping members open their minds may have been the most difficult step. Or Well, our 60 minute bishopric meeting has concluded. There are still those that are hanging onto tradition, however, After this next generation, I think itll be gone. We did so much with those kids that 10 years later they still talk about their Primary Days and are using our ideas in their own presidencies. (please comment below) Meetings longer than 60 minutes damage your effectiveness as a leader. IMPROPER CONTENTS. Show prices. So, assume the bishop is misguided until he confirms a final decision. Id even go so far as to say that any meeting can be done in 30 minutes and Ill encourage you to try, but you can be comfortable with 60. This is nice encouragement for those holding 3 hour meetings (you should be ashamed), but in reality there is no meeting that needs to go longer than 60 minutes. Some of the info you provided is excellent. I'm so excited to be able to serve my Lord and Savior to the best capacity I can. I agree with a lot that you said but feel bad that you classify my opinion in a negative light. These members watched their parents put in so much time in their callings growing up that it turned into resentment. #7 Cancelling meetings If you find that not much is impacted by fewer meetings, then you should definitely be cancelling more meetings. Gunzenhausen (German pronunciation: [ntsnhazn] (); Bavarian: Gunzenhausn) is a town in the Weienburg-Gunzenhausen district, in Bavaria, Germany.It is situated on the river Altmhl, 19 kilometres (12 mi) northwest of Weienburg in Bayern, and 45 kilometres (28 mi) southwest of Nuremberg.Gunzenhausen is a nationally recognized recreation area. I think one thing that I learned as an Elders Quorum President and a Sunday School President was to send my counselors to the Ward Council and PEC meetings! I usually ask to be released when I run into a church leader like this. President Hinckley apparently was really big on being super on time. If someone on the council has reason to not come to the meeting or, quite frankly, doesnt want to be in the meeting, then they should have the right to not be there. I have ventured to using the red handbook almost as a weapon to invite them to change and try something new to see how it would work but I have had ward leaders tell me how they dont care about the red handbook. (2) when we discuss an issue but the leader in charge doesnt assign any action as a result of it; If you do not think that, Lord is it I?..look around the crowded room where everyone is smashed togetherhot, and uncomfortable. When we got there the meeting was closed as we had gone over (over what I dont know). The Lord has prepared ways for His children to be protected and loved, she thought. If there is someone in the room whoeveryone thinks is the smartest, it hurts the quality of discussion and decreases revelation. I believe instead of always having meetings take the time and go visit and minister to the less active, sick, and non attending members of the church! His BA in International Studies doesnt do much in the IT industry where he works as a software product manager for Salt Lake City-based Samaritan Technologies. We need to build up each other, encourage, uplift, motivate, set the example, and help out where ever we can. You will be shocked how little meeting time is necessary. Wow! In time, the Bishop asked his counselors to have one-on-one discussions with ward council members to receive their candid feedback on the ward council meeting, specifically: One hundred percent of the responses were right in line with what he had hoped for: by this time, council members really wanted to spend meeting time discussing the progress of individuals and families. Set it for 60 minutes and tell everyone in the room they are free to walk out once that timer sounds. People would enjoy their callings more and sense more satisfaction. We have not been talking about a ward council meeting. The branch council also draws on Church resources, such as the LDS Employment Services career workshop materials.2 They established a class taught by a branch member, which helped another branch member find a better job. As we would test and determine which practices had a positive effect on our bishopric meetings, wed introduce them to the ward council. Notify me of followup comments via e-mail. "I imagine that if we could see the heavenly barometer that reads and records the secret thoughts of each person during the sacrament, we would have a pretty good measure of the spirituality of that person.". Thus, polling your council members can confirm and refine your efforts. If they are in a meeting and playing on their phones, I will agree that can be disruptive. As Melissa turned her attention back to the ward council meeting, she thought, If only everyone could be surrounded by such loving friends and leaders as they progress toward the temple., Her thoughts were interrupted as she heard the Relief Society president comment on a sister in need: She wasnt at church last Sunday. And hold people accountable! All church leaders should go visit Toastmasters meetings! They love to micro-manage everything! I have been at Church all day. 2012, 3033. So, I dont think this really addresses where our meetings are going wrong and it goes deeper into changing attitudes and cultures among (mostly) younger members of the Church. And also include the taskers and asignments from the meeting as well. SheI need to get home and fix dinner for my family! In 1989, Elder Boyd K. Packer warned young men and young women to avoid participating in dark spiritual practices, no matter the circumstances: "A warning: there is a dark side to spiritual things. They got over it. There are so many church members that feel left out in church and being part of an active committee could help make many of these people feel welcomed and needed. Spending too much time in meetings not only keep you away from your most important duty, your family, but it also wears on the people serving to the point they hope they are not in presidencies anymore. The oft-used Cheshire Cat quotation comes to mind: Alice: Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here? I wrote the post with the assumption that everyone runs their meetings according to the spirit. What was your favorite part of the event tonight? Both the article and the numerous comments have been enlightening and informative. In other situations, Ive been the one slow to receive confirmation while others receive confirmation quickly. Our ward council lasts about 90 minutes, but I feel if we were told it would only be 60 we would be able to do it in 60 without any trouble at all. In a Stake we would do some alternating. But never, and I mean NEVER, is a meeting worth 61 minutes. Besides, people are more apt to go to church at Christmas time. They tend to be very bossy! He would be very detailed in asking the ward Council to pray. If there isn't/wasn't then you haven't made it to happily ever after. Yet in some ways, this idea wasnt the success the bishop had hoped for. I have always believed that the only thing better than a short meeting is no meeting at all. Spiritual Thoughts A Collection of Spiritual Thoughts Hopefully Some That You've Never Seen Before You know the drill. I also believe that well organized and well functioning committees could be used to help get many problems resolved in organizations of the church. He Fasted and Prayed I observed that my bishops ascent to the mountaintop started well below sea level, meaning he had a steep learning curve despite his years of experience as a bishops counselor. Ha haIm a bishop actually. Kohai, Id love to have you do a review of the book and guest post on Leading Saints. The same goes with any point made in the article. Here are three big NOs for how to avoid administrative topics in meetings. He comes to ward council meeting prepared to suggest ways members can improve learning and teaching at church and in their homes.. If few want to show up, it isnt a problem with those absent,its a problem with your leadership. Im not sure how he does it, but the bishop must be amazing at handling meetings. I cant imagine having the spirit burning strongly while someone relates a spiritual experience only to have it interrupted by a timer. Thanks again for sharing and please share any future successes. Go out as Bishoprics, Presidencies, and go talk with the church members and bouy and cheer them up! Have you ever noticed that people almost never complain when a meeting goes a few minutes long, but when it ends short, they lose their minds? Sixteen of those years included Bishopric meetings, either as an Executive Secretary, a Ward Clerk, or a Bishop's Counselor.. Each member of the council can improve in some way. I dont believe the Spirit operates according to your unbreakable rules. I will do what I can do, I will focus on whats important, and I will try my best. So, to go back to the earlier comment about too few meetings, I think that while we become more effective in any given time frame, a lot of us need to spend more time coaching and training and leading just maybe not with everyone in the room. I agree whole heartedly with what you state here: The mind can only take in what the seat can endure. I believe it 100%. I went to a town 5 hours including a boat ride away to my parents house so they could help with my other 2 small children. Another great resource on this concept is Elder Ballards book Counseling with our Councils.. People need to have input to High Council meetings. Having a bishop like this makes it a joy to support my husband. I Can't Trust You; EVIL. I am a Laurel class president and chair 1-2 meetings a month. I get the sentimentbut you will notice a recurring theme throughout Handbook 2a lack of hard rules about church administration. Some came prepared, most did and exceptionally so but those that didnt could tell they were missing out on a very spiritual moment. We were in the know. #LDS, We loved this quote from John Bytheway in #tofwsanantonio tonight! A week before I was called as a stake RS president, I attended a stake/ward leadership training meeting where stake presidents closing remarks were based solely on delegation and among other wonderful words of encouragement and counsel, related the story of Moses & his father-in-law, Jethro (Exodus 18) Being made aware of that principle has certainly helped me to cope and to enjoy serving in whatever capacity I have been called to serve. Honey.I have the Ward Council to go to. I am still not fluent in Ipad. While I agree with most of what you say in your article, I take issue with some of the specifics and with your absolute language that does not give any room for exceptions or local adaptation. minute meeting and accomplished all that was needed. Hinckley starting on a Saturday morning and expected to last all day. Here is a quick review of the book from the BYU Studies web site: If you are suggesting that anyone who shows up at a meeting looking for marching orders from the presiding authority is doing it wrong, then I agree. I wish you actually provided suggestions instead of full on criticisms. It should be a testimony, not a travel log. Preparation still requires time, focus and the spirit. The timer has spoken. Jessica, agreed. It takes a very good meeting to be better than no meeting at all., (Said at my stake conference in Concord, NH.). If you cant see how the meeting can stay under an hour, just cancel it because you arent ready to hold a meeting. I have taught mtg. IMHO, this topic could be a great teaching/training subject for many leadership meetings (both in a ward & stake). They can also learn how to become better speakers, better leaders, and better people persons! every other meeting would be done over a conference call we found ways to make it effective by doing certain types of discussions over the phone/video while others might be saved for face-to-face. At times, moving mountains is easier than moving mindsets. Seems to me the article reflects the authers personal standards and that they want them to be church standards. Id encourage you to try it for a few meetings (or ask the presiding officer to try it). They focus on individuals and families first, then how programs can help. Prepare all the information you need from your device prior to the meeting and then see how it goes. After that, we can talk about 45-minute meetings, etc. I think we have the mistaken notion that every element of revelation coming to the ward has to come through the bishop. Unfortunately, when the children spread out their blankets, they had accidentally upset a wasps nest. The effect was that we learned that while the bishop has the final say in decisions, we stopped looking for him to do all of the talking and thinking for us. Handbook 2:4.6.1. I have sat in wonderment at some of the things said about people. Some members eventually leave the church altogether, or go inactive! Below is an outline of how our council was inspired to restructure the agenda your council could use this as a template or a starting place. Ill make sure her visiting teachers let her know about the upcoming temple trip., Theyve got some hard things going on right now, added the elders quorum president. Even with an invitation to the spirit there should still be guidelines that a leader follows to manage the meetings effectiveness. After each council meeting, the bishopric would convene for a few minutes to discuss how things went, what went well, and what could be improved. We can choose to be miserable and unhappy or change our attitude and praise and uplift and encourage. Most of my experience is that the President/leader of the group doesnt truly utilize the Secretary/clerk. We are on fire!!! The few Ive had to attend were 2- to 3-hour nightmares, so I agree with you on the time aspect. I agree, but I challenge you to try it. Anyone can choose to not attend a meeting with or without an excuse. As bishop, he could cancel any meeting on a whim. The primary work of the ward council takes place in living rooms where tears are shared and dried, and testimony is borne. Look at their body language. They also discuss the annual budget requirements that will be required to run a scout troop. Saturday, March 20, 2010 This Isn't Good Bye Well I get set apart tomorrow to be a Missionary of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day. It is a lifelong mission of mine to bring others closer to Him. But in the end there is a planning calendar developed and a year long budget developed. Prepared people held to 60min or less is highly productive and the spirit can communicate quickly what needs to be done. I hope it helps those individuals reassess their approach to meetings and have better revelatory experiences. No one could show him the way, or help him with the burden, other than the Lord. I like the 7 rules, though I may not share all of them. Councils are increasingly being emphasized by Church leaders in their teaching and training. Handbook 2 (4.6) advisesward council should be 60-90 minutes in duration. I also think that it is critical to look at the eternal perspective of things. [He] can also provide continuity between the ward council and the priesthood executive committee.. But I think well all be better off going by the spirit instead. We need to challenge the status quo. We have working sessions while planning cultural arts events that require a lot of creativity, sharing of peoples experience, planning, and task assignment that can easily run to 2 hours, but result in an enthused group ready to pitch in and execute. Within the Clasp of Your Arms; FAST OFFERINGS. I think if we treat the adults like adults, instead of children, you would be surprised how much can actually be accomplished in a meeting even with people using their phones. Instead people are asked to participate and then given the right to exersize their Agency to agree or decline. Leader. If admin gets done before the meeting, cancel the meeting. Difficult issue. He is thinkingman, we just keep going around in circles on this topic EVERY week! To learn more about succeeding in your calling, visit the Leadership Training Library, available in several languages at leadershiplibrary.lds.org. The bottom line leaders needs to be sensitive to the time demands on members, have an agenda and run meetings as efficiently as possible, and follow the Spirit. Yesterday, due to Ward Conference, it was made known beforehand that Ward Council would only be 45 minutes. So, by virtue of one of my callings, I visit wards throughout the local stakes and am often invited to sit in on ward council meetings. I cant imagine a bishop cutting off someones testimony because the timer went off and its time to move along. The thought just entered my mind. The Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts usually do this on a Saturday morning or afternoon and sit down with the Troop Committee/Scout Master and use a planning calendar. Our ward is doing so much missionary work and so many inactive and part member families are coming back. Mainly because many of us use our phones and/or tablets for calendars and such. I dont think there is a bishop in the church that would say they dont try to run their meetings by the spirit. and then start running their meetings based on real needs, and so forththe productivity in the Church would really go up. I highly recommend the book Death by Meeting. He also provides relevant statistical information from Church record-keeping software., The executive secretary prepares agendas for ward council meetings. Sure. Delegate or die I love it! Many members need help finding work. Its an inspired pattern that the bishop, by virtue of the keys, has to direct. Purchase one of our Spiritually Minded is Life Eternal (SMILE) Bracelets [wp_ad_camp_1] I once spent 2.5 hours in a Bishops Council where the majority of the time was spent reviewing the calendar. I definitely believe that a general timing rule should exist. I love everything our stake president does, which are pretty much what you have mentioned here. Aug 29, 2021 - Explore Melinda Manley's board "Ward Council Spiritual Thought", followed by 331 people on Pinterest. My goal was to get a conversation started about this important subject and it appears it worked. I have been in Presidencies and the secretary. Rarely do people enjoy attending meetings but we still discover ways to plan more meetings. I do agree the vast majority of our meetings can be done in less than an hour. Basic LDS (Mormon) gospel principles are organized according to beliefs we have for the Premortal, Mortal and Postmortal lives. I think it was this thread that put me into the zone seriously. Joseph F. Smith's Gratitude for Blessings. Ugh, meetings. maybe, but it seems to me that were seeing this kind of thinking more and more. (that makes me sound old). Ive tried to practice some of the things listed, but lately Ive felt like my meetings havent been as productive. management principles in the corp world for many years. I want to use Ward Council as the model in this post, but this information can be applied to most meetings within the church. It comes via one-by-one ministry. If he was the only person able to receive revelation then there would not be any reason to hold a council meeting. Rule 8 Do not establish unbreakable rules of Church meetings by doing so you may limit or constrain the Spirit; we should allow the Lord to direct us in our meetings through the Spirit. When you have your device in the meeting you can make sure you arent on Facebook but you cant guarantee everyone is doing that same. #tofwkansascity - what did you love about your event tonight? Aug 29, 2021 - Explore Melinda Manley's board "Ward Council Spiritual Thought", followed by 334 people on Pinterest. Thank you for sharing. 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